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Posted by Steve LombardiJuly 31, 2009 2:42 PM

This morning we talked about a 15-year-old boy who died after being Tasered. And what about the Detroit teenager who also died in April after being Tasered?

Since 2001, more than 330 people in the United States have died after being shocked by Tasers, according to the human rights group "Amnesty International. AI acknowledges the importance of developing nonlethal or 'less lethal' force options" by police, the group said in a December report on Tasers and Taser-related deaths. "However, Amnesty International has serious concerns about the use of electro-shock devices in law enforcement, both as regards their safety and potential for misuse."

According to Amnesty International as of December 2008 more than 351 individuals have died after being shocked with what is categorized as a non-lethal Taser. See Taser Abuse in the United States. A report on the list of deaths following use of stun weapons in US Law Enforcement from June 2001 to August 31, 2008 tracks the decedents name, age, date of shock, race, police agency by city and state, county, cause of death, contributing factors and underlying health conditions, number of Taser strikes or shocks, other restraints used, whether the arrestee was armed, if armed with what type of weapon and the length of time between the Taser use and death or cardiac arrest/loss of consciousness.

If a weapon contributes to precipitating death how can it be considered non-lethal?

Which states are the most deadly when law enforcement uses this non-lethal weapon?

Amnesty International states that 90% of the people arrested are unarmed when shocked by police Tasers. California and Florida have the highest death count per state. Phoenix and Las Vegas the highest per city body count.

“Amnesty International’s report -- which includes a study of 98 autopsies that were independently reviewed by a forensic pathologist -- found that 90 percent of those who died after being struck with Tasers were unarmed and many did not appear to present a serious threat. Police officers used Tasers on schoolchildren, pregnant women and even an elderly person with dementia. More than 30 individuals died after being shocked in jails, where Tasers are also widely used, or in the booking area of police stations after they were already under police control.”

An 11-year-old girl who punched an officer was Tasered; she suffers from a learning disability. The child was at school in Orange County, Florida pushing desks and chairs and spitting at teachers. Now I know what many of you are thinking, “Good she had it coming.” But that’s punishment not law enforcement. That’s for the courts not the police officers.

Research being done to evaluate the safety of Tasers is being funded by the industry. The same thing happened with the Tobacco Institute fought whether cigarettes cause cancer. In the past when an industry funded the safety research the results were manipulated to favor the industry. Watch the videos available from the Multimedia Collection of the Legacy Tobacco Documents Library from the University of California, San Francisco.

The script for Taser-related-risks has similarities to Pro-cigarette propaganda. Watch “Open Questions” a video produced by the tobacco industry about The Causes And Effects Of Smoking. This movie attempts to create doubt about the “Main Line Of Public Attack” creating a link between lung cancer and smoking cigarettes.

“No one knows what causes lung cancer.”

Many factors are involved making it unknown what the causes of lung cancer can be.

“Can we separate fact from fancy?”

“… a very complex subject.”

“… we need more information.”

“Do these relationships between sets of numbers prove a causal connection or establish a cause and effect?”

http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu:8080/featured_videos/observe.mov

The Tobacco Institute touted its role as the public relations arm of the tobacco industry with selections from media appearances by Institute staff and celebrities, including a Tonight Show skit parodying the segregation of smokers and non-smokers on airplanes.

http://www.archive.org/about/javascript-required.htm

Are the arguments for using Tasers similar to those we heard with cigarettes and tobacco? Yes they are. Do you remember the times when we could smoke inflight? The same time they told non-smokers that they were not at risk of getting lung cancer. Like then, now they are telling us you can't trust statistics. There is a place for using Tasers but there is no place for using Tasers if our Constitutional rights have to be ignored.

Updated: I received a direct email from Kim Klausner, the Tobacco Digital Library Manager at the University of California. Kim provided the permanent URL for "Open Questions", a tobacco industry video designed to create doubt about the health risks of smoking.

http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/urv67e00

To see more videos made by the industry go to:

http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/about/multimedia.jsp

Thank you Kim for the correction.

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Mike BryantInjuryBoard Attorney Member
Posted by Mike Bryant
July 31, 2009 10:56 PM

Wow, this really is amazing information. Thanks for bring this to our attention.

William Cole
Posted by William Cole
August 01, 2009 12:13 AM

Gee, Mike Bryant, another blood sucking personal injury trial lawyer is the only comment you can collect? You and the terrorists at amnesty international deserve each other. Don't you know, Taser Saves Lives Everyday. Tasers bring control to the uncontrolable and that is what AI hates. Lawyers like you only care about sueing someone.

Steve LombardiInjuryBoard Attorney Member
Posted by Steve Lombardi
August 01, 2009 12:32 AM

Mr. Cole: What do you do for a living? Do you own any stock in Taser? List a few of the lives that Taser's have saved. I'll post it in my next blog. I'm sure it will be easy since you say "the Taser saves lives every day". Who was saved yesterday? Or how about today, that one should be easier for you to remember. If mr. Bryant only cared about suing someone he certainly wouldn't be supporting not using Tasers. I realize that's a higher level of critical thinking than you're used to but give it some thought.

James CoolInjuryBoard Contributor
Posted by James Cool
August 01, 2009 1:30 AM

I'm actually going to defend William here, Steve, even if he doesn't deserve it.

I think Taser's do save lives. They also take them. That's my beef. I have no problem with police carrying and using guns, that's because they save lives. I also have no issue with police using tasers. All I ask, and I think all reasonable people can ask, is that we classify the taser as deadly force and deploy it only when deadly force is warranted.

Mr. Cole, are you okay with that? A taser being treated the same as a gun? If not, please explain why you think we should treat it differently. I am happy to discuss this calmly and logically with you.

Nick CarrollInjuryBoard Staff
Posted by Nick Carroll
August 01, 2009 10:18 AM

Steve and Jimmy, Mr. Cole doesn't exist. He is a comment troll that appears to prefer anonymity. You will not be able to engage him in conversation, rational or otherwise, because he does not leave a real email address and will not get notifications of additional comments to this thread. You can find his footprints, easily identified by his is trademark "blood sucking" references, all over InjuryBoard on posts relating to Tasers.

Steve LombardiInjuryBoard Attorney Member
Posted by Steve Lombardi
August 01, 2009 12:26 PM

Nick: Would you recommend we delete his comments or engage him to let people read he has no ideas nor contributes to any resolution of problems? Enjoy your Saturday.

James CoolInjuryBoard Contributor
Posted by James Cool
August 01, 2009 5:27 PM

I mostly made my argument for the sake of illustrating the point. It doesn't matter if he responds. Shame that the folks who disagree with us so often refuse to discuss the points we address, even if they respond, they often argue parallel to the debate.

kurt kastner
Posted by kurt kastner
August 02, 2009 12:35 PM

Gents

A most interesting news report. But the truth is really unimportant to the public or the politicians.
It only becomes important when the tragidy touches home or for politicians if it impacts their ablity to get reelected.
Case in point. Taser sends their people to medical and coroner simposiums, and there, Taser peddles their "E.D" catch all answer to the many deaths where the weapon was deployed.
This company through slick marketing and public relations moves have convinced everyone that the the people who are ending up dead are dead by their own doing. To add to this Taser has a systematicly intimidated many coroners,M.E. and forensic pathologists into using the "E.D." answer to avoid being drug into litigation.
As more truly independent research is compiled on this weapon I beleive that it will become apparent that the reserch funded and supported by Taser will be found to have been engineered from the outset to be supportive of their position and not in the public or law enforcments best interest.
My name is Kurt Kastner and I watched my brother-in-law Robert Heston die from being tasered to death.

Steve LombardiInjuryBoard Attorney Member
Posted by Steve Lombardi
August 02, 2009 6:36 PM

Mr. Kastner: A very frank and thoughtful comment about your brother's death by Taser. I'm sorry to hear about these tragic events. If you ever want to write a post about it or allow me to interview you I'd be happy to oblige. Feel free to contact me at sdlombardi@aol.com. I wish you well.

david bier
Posted by david bier
August 03, 2009 11:27 AM

I think the important difference between a taser and a gun is that cops are far more inclined to pull out a taser for essentially NOTHING. In the past they had to either use a stick or a gun, both of which leave evidence of clear over-reaction to someone arguing a traffic ticket or speaking loudly. Is that because the cops are under the impression the Taser is harmless? Maybe. But a gun doesn't kill anyone either - blood loss does. So nobody can say a Taser doesn't kill and the death came from something else, unless they also claim guns can't kill.

Recently I was nearly Tasered for trying to catch a kitten on a grocery store property. The kitten was in the woods, I used a machete to clear some wild roses so I could put Havahart traps in the edge of the woods. One of the store's retarded employees saw me with the machete and told the manager that there was a man waving a big knife outside. FOUR cops responded, 30 minutes later. I was sitting in the grass with a magazine, the machete was at that point locked in my car 20 feet away. I never got angry, and after about 10 minutes the oldest one left because there was no reason for 4 of them to be there as I was calm, unarmed and cooperative. However, as I was being ordered to leave, I raised my voice to the group of employees sitting outside watching and said "Thanks boys, now the kitten will die". For this the boy cop started to reach for his Taser. This guy is younger then my kids, and smaller than me, so he must have either been scared or in a hurry to prove how tough he is. He tried to violate my First Amendment guarantee by telling me I shouldn't have said anything. I calmly told him he didn't need the Taser, I wasn't going to get violent, and his reply was that HE would decide if he needed it or not.

My point - for no reason whatsoever (or maybe only a personal emotional reason) this guy was going Taser me. I'm 60 years old, lame from injuries, there were still 3 officers present, and I was not loud, violent, argumentative or even resistant. He might have killed me with it, but he apparently thought of it as an appropriate response to someone who didn't act afraid of him or the situation. Watch the videos on YouTube, from the cops dash-cams themselves, and you'll see these jack-boot assholes zapping little old ladies because they can't find their licenses in their purses fast enough. This really is a problem. They may be appropriate for personal defense, but the police are just too quick to go for them. It was that way with Mace too, only that killed very seldom as far as what one heard in the news.

Kim Klausner
Posted by Kim Klausner
August 03, 2009 2:02 PM

The permanent URL for "Open Questions," a tobacco industry video designed to create doubt about the health risks of smoking, is More ... To see more videos made by the industry go to More ...

Kim Klausner
Tobacco Digital Library Manager
University of California, San Francisco
530 Parnassus Avenue, Room 115
San Francisco, CA 94143-0840
(415) 514-0507
kim.klausner@ucsf.edu

Excited-Delirium.com
Posted by Excited-Delirium.com
August 04, 2009 11:25 AM

Please google the taser's "Curious Temporal Asymmetry".

Kitty
Posted by Kitty
August 05, 2009 4:15 AM

Mr. Cool, tasers do not save lives and are never used when a cop feels his life is REALLY in danger. Cops use tasers because they are psychopaths and psychopaths love to torture, especially in the sadistic, painful, and degrading way a taser affords them. Like Ted Bundy, bullying and torturing people is what passes for normal sex to a cop.

William Cole, your point is well taken: be “submissive” and slavishly “obedient” to your masters like a good subject or you get what you deserve.

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