Air France Flight AF-447, Just the facts (Updated June 14, 2009)

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Posted by Steve LombardiJune 08, 2009 10:17 AM

Of the 228 people aboard the Air France flight that crashed, it is reported 15 more bodies of passengers have been recovered. Four bodies were men and four women.

Brazil reports 17 bodies have been recovered so far from jet crash

The plane: an Airbus 330.

Flight No: AF-447.

Passenger count was 228 people.

Departure time: Brazilian time, 7:00 p.m.

Contact Lost with plane: 11:00 p.m.

Severe Turbulence: 2:15 a.m. GMT, 12:15 a.m. AEST, severe turbulence and a dozen technical messages

Arrival time (expected): 9:15 a.m. France time or AEST, 5:15 p.m.

Date of crash: May 31, 2009.

Signaled trouble: electrical problems leading to a loss of cabin pressure.

Survivors: None found as of June 7, 2009.

Location of crash: Between Rio De Janerio and Paris, France

Passenger and Crew Recovery: Recovered bodies being taken to the Brazilian islands of Fernando de Noronha.

Recovery Success: Nine bodies aboard a Brazilian ship.

Seven bodies aboard a French ship.

Black Box Recovery: will require submarines or other sub retrieval craft with the ability to dive 5 km deep or the equivalent of around 3 miles.

Possibly related incidents: Bomb threat. AIR France says it received a bomb threat about a flight from Buenos Aires to Paris just days before one of its planes crashed into the Atlantic with 228 people on board.

Previous defects in the A330 – Several incidents leading to sudden

“In October 2008 the Qantas Airbus A330-300 was carrying 303 passengers and 10 crew from Singapore to Perth when it experienced what the airline has described as a sudden change in altitude.

The incident, later blamed on a computer glitch, left 74 passengers with fractures, lacerations and spinal injuries.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) director of aviation safety investigation Julian Walsh said the plane in was travelling at 37,000 feet and 177km north of Carnarvon when it suddenly climbed 300 feet and then abruptly pitched nose down.

A similar incident occurred in 2007 during a test flight for an A330 due to be delivered to Air Mauritius.

European manufacturer Airbus said: "Because of a sudden depressurisation the pilot pulled the plane down quickly, in line with procedure, causing those on board standing or walking about to fall”.

Six people were injured but the plane landed normally at Toulouse-Blagnac airport.

Today Airbus strongly defended the safety record of the A330 saying have never had a fatal crash during a commercial flight. “

Delivery date for plane in question: 2005.

Miles and hours flown: 18,800 flying hours or about 2,500 flights.

Number of A330 online: 600 with more than 11 million flying hours.

Details provided by News.com.au

Update: June 14, 2009

June 11, 2009 video of French nuclear submarine joining the effort for finding the black box. French nuclear sub with listening device. Three week deadline for batter life on black box power to sound blip is running. Date of crash is May 31, 2009. Three-weeks is June 21, 2009.

FRENCH SUBMARINE REPORT - the Emeraude



Submarines can dive to 300 meters. Research subs can go deeper and are on their way to the crash location. It's obviously a team effort. Why don't planes have GPS devices? Anti-terrorist issue or finance issue? If terrorist issue could GPS be activated with activation of the flight data recorder (black box)?

MESSAGE INFORMATION - Report indicates signal beacon has 30 days till it stops beeping.



Bodies Recovered as of June 13, 2009 -

"Forty-four bodies have now been recovered from AF447 after it went off radar en route from Brazil to Paris with 228 people, including five Brits were on board."

Nationalities on board this flight - There were 32 nationalities on board the flight.

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Nuts
Posted by Nuts
June 08, 2009 2:12 PM

Location of crash: Between Rio De Janerio and Paris, France

BRILLIANT!!!

Regal
Posted by Regal
June 08, 2009 2:22 PM

RIP the 228!
Hopefully you're in a better place.
RIP.

Steve LombardiInjuryBoard Attorney Member
Posted by Steve Lombardi
June 08, 2009 3:02 PM

Okay Nuts: Here is the scoop on the location; no one knows. Planes aren't tracked by GPS technology. Yes it's true. Look up:

Air France crash sparks call for GPS tracking of planes. The current radar-based network is obsolete when planes are more than 200 miles from land; a GPS system would precisely track planes wherever they are, By MICHAEL TARM with The Associated Press, June 4, 2009. I'd rather be unspecific then specifically wrong.

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The debris trail is 12 miles long and some 22,950 feet below sea level. Check out CBS News, More Air France Crash Debris Found
Search For Black Box A Major Challenge In Waters Four Miles Deep; Memorial Held At Notre Dame, PARIS, June 3, 2009

If you find a GPS location pass it on and I'll consider adding it to just the facts.

Steve LombardiInjuryBoard Attorney Member
Posted by Steve Lombardi
June 08, 2009 3:05 PM

You guys kill me: See if this is closer to what you expect.

"The bodies of two male passengers were recovered Saturday morning about 70 kilometers (45 miles) south of where Air France Flight 447 emitted its last signals — roughly 400 miles (640 kilometers) northeast of the Fernando de Noronha islands off Brazil's northern coast.

Brazilian air force spokesman Col. Jorge Amaral said an Air France ticket was found inside a leather briefcase.

"It was confirmed with Air France that the ticket number corresponds to a passenger on the flight," he said.

Admiral Edison Lawrence said the bodies were being transported to the Fernando de Noronha islands for identification. A backpack with a laptop and a vaccination card also was recovered.

The finds could potentially establish a more precise search area for the crucial black box flight recorders that could tell investigators why the jet crashed."


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ChrisT
Posted by ChrisT
June 08, 2009 6:23 PM

One nitpick..... The final signal merely indicated an increase in outside pressure. That increase typically indicates that the plane is descending rapidly (and the difference in altitude causes the message), but it can also be caused by decompression as well. It could mean that the airplane was breaking apart or that it hit a jet upset followed by a mach tuck.

Nuts
Posted by Nuts
June 08, 2009 6:31 PM

I was just kidding Steve ;). Acording to Brazilian Army, debris and human bodies have being discovered around 03 34.08' N 030 27.30' W. Here's the link to a Brazilian presentation to the press

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lon
Posted by lon
June 08, 2009 7:49 PM

Air France’s Airbus 340 vertical stabilizer section has been found more or less intact. This is an indicator that it separated in flight and not on impact. It is interesting to note that the vertical stabilizer separated from an US Airways Airbus Industries A300-605R
on take-off in 2001 at JFK killing all aboard. The cause was determined to be (in part) improper rudder input by the co-pilot while dealing with wake turbulence. As a pilot, it’s seems inconceivable that a passenger aircraft whose vertical stabilizer could separate at the connection point in turbulence would be certified as safe. Especially when one considers that in the JFK incident the Airbus was flying under 250 knots, more or less straight and level and the pilot’s only error was excessive rudder input.

Lon Wilmington, NC

john
Posted by john
June 11, 2009 3:53 AM

if anybody can read french check this out.
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it is the truth !!
greetings, john

Karl
Posted by Karl
June 14, 2009 3:51 PM

DO NOT let them get you down Steve. Is it not amazing how idiots gravatiate to a tragedy with idle banter and left field comments from the peanut gallery?

What is going to be interesting is to learn whether it was jet failure or a bomb onboard. Several of the passengers were international players in fighting illegal arms trafficking.

From initial reports seems the debris and bodies are spread over a very wide area, suggesting the A330 came apart way up in the sky.

RIP for the 228 on AF 447.

One of the lucky people who missed the flight wound up getting killed any way.

Italian who missed AF 447 flight dies in car crash
Posted: June 10th, 2009 | Author: AF447 | Filed under: AF 447 | Tags: missed connections |
An Italian woman who arrived to the airport late for the fatal Air France flight 447 has died in a car accident, according to ANSA news agency.
Johanna Ganthaler, a pensioner from the Bolzano-Bozen Province (South Tyrol, Italy) and her husband, Kirk, were on vacation in Brazil and missed flight 447 after arriving to the airport late. They were able to board a later flight and avoided being victims of the horrible crash.
The couple rented a car in Munich, Germany and decided to drive home to Italy. On their way home, while driving through Kufstein, Austria, their car ended up in the opposite lane and they had a head on collision with a truck.
The woman died at the hospital that she was taken to. Her husband is still in critical condition.

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